Hi again, similar question about naming. How can I rename a workflow? We have a use case where we’ll need to maintain 100s of different instances of the same workflow (training ML models out of the same training pipeline) and are looking into what would be the best way to achieve that in flyte.

I'm afraid that's not possible. But I'd like to understand more — do you want to trigger the same workflow multiple times?

I think we’ll go with a solution where we import tasks from another pipeline (or pipeline) and register as a new “clone” workflow then. We have a project where we have to train 100s of small (and usually simple) models with the same training pipeline. We curate and refine the dataset locally then plug it into the flyte training workflow. The workflow generates a packaged model as well as performance metrics. We typically train 6 of these models per week and revisit them when the live perf start degrading. That means that having them all under the same workflow but different runs wouldn’t be practical, especially on the UI. We think that creating a new workflow for each would help browsing through different models. Browsing through each experiment on a given models would rather easy as well with each run of the workflow. If renaming workflows isn’t possible we’re likely to setup our repo so that we have something like

dags/<group name>/<model name>/training.py

and it should give us workflows with name

dags.<group name>.<model name>.<http://training.wf|training.wf>

Makes sense. You can given an execution a name, however. Here's an example:

pyflyte run --remote --name <execution-name> ...

Thanks, I thoughout about this but wasn’t sure how we could version it. The only way I could think of was in the name such as

my_group-my_model-v1.0.1

as the version would be for the workflow not the execution, right?

Yes, version is for a workflow.

That’s where I guess our use case is a bit deeper. We share a workflow and it can have versions. Then each model (

my_group-my_model

) will have different experiments (run/executions) with different input parameters (to the workflow)

Understood. So what's the end goal? Does an execution name not suffice?

Ultimately we want to be able to browse based on • Workflow version • Group name • Model name • Model experiment (run with different inputs) We from what I’ve seen on flyte would align better with having 1 workflow per group_name/model_name and each run under a workflow would be an experiment for that model. Can we get that directly with execution name? I can’t see how to filter/browse the executions other than just the list from the UI.

You cannot browse by an execution name; you'll have to go through the list of executions. Mind creating an issue?

Yeah sure, I’ll do that later today. List of executions is fine with each model has its workflow and having execution as an experiment for a given model. But if we group all the models under the same workflow it becomes a bit difficult indeed

Yeah, grouping models under the same workflow leads to confusion. You can add tags to your executions, but I don't think this feature is available on the UI yet. @glamorous-carpet-83516, any idea when this is going to be implemented or if it's available already?

After reading again bits of the documentation (especially this section) I feel that maybe launch plans are the way to go after all…

Yeah! Launch plans can be used as well. You can create multiple launch plans for the same workflow.

For future reference https://github.com/flyteorg/flyte/issues/4376

Wouldn't launch plans solve your problem? You can have a single workflow and multiple launch plans. That essentially means renaming the workflow as per your experiment, correct?

I feel like launch plans may not make it easy to track experiments. If we use a launch plan for each model, we’d create a new version of the launch plan for each experiment I think? And no, renaming workflow wouldn’t be per experiment. Instead of launch plan, each model would have its own workflow and experiments would be execution of the workflow (with the automatic random name when no name is given)

You'll have executions under a launch plan. It has the same interface as that of a workflow, but launch plan has executions which have been triggered via that specific launch plan.

Could be the way to go then! And trigger the launch plan programmatically with the right inputs in a small python script. What happens when we need to change the workflow? I already think of the 2 use cases here: 1. same workflow, new version of the workflow (Say we add a little feature to the workflow or fix a bug) 2. other workflow (context of the models changes and we have to use an alternative training pipeline)

And trigger the launch plan programmatically with the right inputs in a small python script.

You can trigger launch plans programmatically using FlyteRemote. Say you update your workflow, and there's a launch plan associated with it already, you need to reregister your launch plan with a new version.

That definitely looks relevant! I must have done something slightly different because it kept on triggering the “old” workflow. I’ll give that a go

> Then at the top of the UI the workflow name will still be the old workflow. Is it possible for you to share some screenshots? This may be a bug, but want to confirm first. > Just to confirm, there isn’t any way to trigger a launch plan from the launch plan UI, right? You have to go to the workflow section and launch with the launch plan you wish to use, right? Yes, launch plan is just a plan to launch a workflow. And hence, it's indeed launching a workflow, but not a launch plan.

1. From the launch plan, click execution

abcv46ptw8mxwgr5zv9r

Interestingly enough if from 4. on the dag.py workflow I click on the execution id

abcv46ptw8mxwgr5zv9r

it takes me back to screenshot 2 with the wrong workflow name!

Moving the same launch plan from one workflow to the other isn't updating the name of the workflow on the UI, correct? Are you just modifying the workflow in the launch plan?

Moving the same launch plan from one workflow to the other isn’t updating the name of the workflow on the UI, correct? Are you just modifying the workflow in the launch plan?

Indeed, I’m changing the workflow in the launch plan from workflow_1.py to workflow_2.py. Then,

pyflyte register launch_plan.py

picks up all tasks, workflow and lp and registers a new version

This is a bug. Can you create an issue? I don't think it's a good practice to use the same launch plan for two different workflows. So say, you want to create a launch plan for workflow 2, please create a new launch plan, but don't update the existing one.

So the use case here would be moving the launch plan to a new workflow rather than alternating 2 workflows. I’ve got a tight deadline before I go on leave tomorrow but will try to open an issue

You're right.

May have a 3rd one 😄 I’m using the

--source

flag on pyflyte package and although it works for the python module, pyflyte doesn’t find a json I import in my

workflow.py

’s code. But it works if I change the path to the json in the code so that it’s relative to where I’m running

pyflyte package

from, Probs more of a python thing that pyflyte!